Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by Alucard7002 » Tue May 10, 2016 9:45 pm

Bump post,

The following parts are still available.

Front indicators - pair ok condition outside, both have the pin mounting snapped off
Pair of wing mirror covers in British Racing Green HNA - Ok condition
Rear lowering springs ~45mm drop
Rover badge for front grill - Very Good Condition
Fastback rear spoiler - Very Good Condition all mounts intact.

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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue May 10, 2016 10:22 pm

You have a PM! ;) :D
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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by deano » Tue May 10, 2016 11:03 pm

HIJACK
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Anyone got a grey glovebox going spare ??

for 1993 model, pre-passenger airbag dash
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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue May 10, 2016 11:08 pm

I think the gloveboxes are the same all the way through Dean (might be wrong) and i think i may have a grey glovebox somewhere too, i'll have a hunt soon.
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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by CHR15E » Wed May 11, 2016 5:24 am

scoobyh123 wrote:I think the gloveboxes are the same all the way through Dean (might be wrong) and i think i may have a grey glovebox somewhere too, i'll have a hunt soon.
There's definitely at least two versions in MK2s. The early ones are covered rather than being a single piece of plastic.

Seem to remember differences in the brackets too. Best to get a pic up of the exact one he's after.
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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by gyrobird » Wed May 11, 2016 6:41 am

Alucard7002 wrote:
gyrobird wrote:Mk1 827 High comp ECU with CCU and SINGLE IR fob with receiver. For MANUAL cars only.

The above set would be for the later Mk1c. If it had the single fob with.

The photos shows a two button fob?

What is this set from as it looks as though it is from a Mk2 827 ?
Single as in one remote fob only. My mistake wording that poorly! :-P

The car was a mashup of mk1 and mk2 of all types.
The ECU will not be high comp as it is built for the lambda on a Mk2 where as you probably already know are all lower comp engines.

I don't know what the fuss is all about with this high comp preference as the engine nowadays is using the wrong fuel and so has no benefit and is actually detrimental to the power output.

Better off really with a low gimp lambda engine.

Gimp came up on the predictive text for comp :)

Midnite, I wouldn't want you getting the wrong stuff. Besides, what is also contrary to popular belief is the auto ECU will run the engine exactly the same with a manual box fitted.

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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by scoobyh123 » Wed May 11, 2016 9:40 am

gyrobird wrote:
The ECU will not be high comp as it is built for the lambda on a Mk2 where as you probably already know are all lower comp engines.
The part number would confirm definitively if it is for the Mk1 or Mk2 engine - if memory serves correctly, that car ended up running a Mk1 ECU to match the engine.
Alucard7002 wrote: The car was a mashup of mk1 and mk2 of all types.
He's right you know! :wink:
gyrobird wrote:
I don't know what the fuss is all about with this high comp preference as the engine nowadays is using the wrong fuel and so has no benefit and is actually detrimental to the power output.

Better off really with a low gimp lambda engine.

Gimp came up on the predictive text for comp :)
To a large point, i agree. Honda remapped the ECU to reduce the power loss from adding a cat and reducing the compression ratio. As such, running a Mk2 engine without the cat on its original ECU will deliver 193bhp (Rovers figures using a GEX33554 decat box) and i'm sure that further remapping would yield a lot more ponies. However it's not an easy ECU to remap and because of the variable length induction system on the C27, harder still.

As for "gimp" coming up on predictive text - i dread to think what else your predictive text has "learned" over the years!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by gyrobird » Wed May 11, 2016 9:53 am

Always an arguement as ever :roll:

I'm looking at a photo of an ECU, CCU and a two button fob.

This is where the arguement starts and finishes as far as everybody and their opinions are concerned regardless of the additional and quite interesting facts about the power gains.

The photo is what it is.

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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by scoobyh123 » Wed May 11, 2016 10:43 am

gyrobird wrote:Always an arguement as ever :roll:

I'm looking at a photo of an ECU, CCU and a two button fob.

This is where the arguement starts and finishes as far as everybody and their opinions are concerned regardless of the additional and quite interesting facts about the power gains.

The photo is what it is.
You were arguing it was a Mk2 ECU unless i've recently forgotten how to read? Cross referencing the part number 37820-PL2-E03 comes up with this :

http://www.atpelectronics.co.uk/c/rover-827-petrol-ecu

As can be seen, this refers to the Mk1 ECU.

Q.E.D.
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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by Alucard7002 » Wed May 11, 2016 5:31 pm

Question time then.

Does that mean the fob is linked to the receiver only on the Mk2 or had someone managed to disable the immobiliser on the mk1 ecu?
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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by scoobyh123 » Wed May 11, 2016 6:04 pm

The fob is only linked to the "pyramid" receiver on the Mk2 and the 827 follows different "rules" to the MEMS-equipped cars.
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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by Alucard7002 » Wed May 11, 2016 6:25 pm

That answers it perfectly then :-)
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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by gyrobird » Wed May 11, 2016 7:23 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:The fob is only linked to the "pyramid" receiver on the Mk2 and the 827 follows different "rules" to the MEMS-equipped cars.

I know this about the fob, in fact there are five variations throughout the series.

This still does not get to the point of what is in the photo.

Why would one fit a "high comp" ECU to a low comp lambda engine ?

Is the fob matched to the receiver ?

Is the fob matched to the CCU ?

Whats the MEMS got to do with what is in the photo ? the "MEMS equipped" cars from the same era will have the same fob setup.

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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by scoobyh123 » Wed May 11, 2016 7:51 pm

The ECU was fitted to the car with a Mk1, high compression, non-Lambda engine.

The fob is matched to the receiver but does not need to be matched to the CCU on the 2.7 - i recently replaced the ECU on my Sterling, some time ago i replaced the CCU (YWC10127 if memory serves, very rare unit) and even longer ago, i replaced the fob and pyramid/reciever. All done separately. They do not need to match on the 827 like they do on the 820, the immobilisers work in a completely different way, even the transition ones.
gyrobird wrote:
I know this about the fob, in fact there are five variations throughout the series.


Whats the MEMS got to do with what is in the photo ? the "MEMS equipped" cars from the same era will have the same fob setup.
I was making a wild (but seemingly accurate guess) that Dusans original question pertaining to the immobiliser could be easiest answered by explaining that the MEMS-equipped cars' immobilisers worked in a different way to the 2.7 as i felt sure his question was prompted by his knowledge of the MEMS immobiliser etc.

As for the five different variations of the fob, that's because the French can't engineer anything to last, particularly electrical it - just look at Telemecanique. Without a shadow of a doubt, most of the electrical problems on any 800 will come down to Valeo branded kit - same as French cars use and we all know how bad their electrical systems are!
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Re: Various 800 parts 827 820 mk1 and mk2

Post by gyrobird » Wed May 11, 2016 8:04 pm

But the immobiliser is operated from a coded ECU and CCU regardless of MEMS as this is also the case with the 825 and nothing to do with the fob.

Does the 825 KV6 have a MEMs ECU ?

THE early Mk2 did not have the same coded ECU and CCU although the immobiliser was built into the CCU but not coded to the ECU.

This was also the case with later Mk1 but the early Mk1 actually had a separate alarm system and no CCU and nothing coded apart from the three components needed for the remote central locking to work. The early remote fob was not only matched to the receiver by the rear view mirror, it was also matched central locking module.

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