1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by deano » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:58 pm

or the ABS
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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:04 pm

zcar wrote:Dave,
How have you overcome the SRS light if you've removed the bag?
Nick
Luckily the light has never worked on mine Nick so i'll simply remove the SRS ECU and if anything is said, i'll just show him that the airbags have been deleted from the car. If it's not fitted, they can't test it, therefore they can't fail it. It's older than the "mandatory" requirement for a drivers airbag so no problems on that score either.

I might even go the whole hog and change the rev counter for a non-SRS one then the warning light won't exist either. :wink: :D
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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by Richard Moss » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:11 am

I think it's a good looking car
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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by zcar » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:44 am

Might have to link to the PGMFI or ABS. PGMFI could cause me an issue though as Lambda 1 is a bit dodgy so sometimes on hard acceleration my PGMFI comes on. I have tried to get the sensor out to replace and couldnt. Local garage up north had it on the ramp and tried but didn't suceed and didn't want to break it off in the manifold, so there it stays!!!

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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:46 am

I've not had a problem shifting Lambda sensors, even on cars with 160k on the clock from new (1995) running the OE Lambdas. Normally i use a 50mm deep Lambda socket and 2' breaker bar to do the initial shifting then my ratchet to finish off until they're finger loose. There's only 3 or 4 threads on them anyway.

It's worth renewing both at the same time otherwise you could end up with an imbalance between the banks as the other one will still be old and producing less voltage (indicating a lean mixture so the ECU tries to richen it up) and less responsive. This can cause fuel wash in one bank and horrendous fuel economy. For the cost of the extra sensor you'll recoup that fairly quickly in fuel savings.

Rough rule of thumb is 80-100k is a good lifetime for a Lambda sensor, in the USA they have "Emissions Timers" fitted that work on distance and time and cause a fault condition to be displayed by the engine management when 120k miles or 10 years is exceeded.
The Lambda(s) and the Emissions Timer must be renewed to clear the fault and if it's a "SMOG" state such as California, the vehicle must be SMOG tested after renewal i believe.

When fitting the new sensors, smear some copper grease on the threads, there's usually some anti-seize compound on the threads but never enough, the copper grease will make sure they come out easy enough next time.

The ABS light would be a better bet IMHO to link the SRS light to as it behaves more in line with how the SRS light should and is usually a slightly different "on time" to the PGM-Fi light - some testers have got wise to dodges like this to get cars through so if you throw them a curved ball by not "doing what everyone else does" they're more likely to give the benefit of the doubt! :idea: :wink: :D
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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by zcar » Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:18 pm

Did you manage to get the front sensor out without removing the rad then? That was my next port of call. The garage had a 50mm socket on it and were dangling off the ramp and still it wouldn't budge!

I have purchased a little timer device to wire in so I can set the SRS light to a slightly different dwell to the others. The idea being I would attach it on some flying leads so I can drop it down and access it under the dahs. Then I can fine tune the timing until tis correct with the dash back in place.

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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by scoobyh123 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:37 pm

Yes - it's a fiddle with 2 capitals "F"s :wink: and easiest done from above - same goes for the back one but that's easy by comparison, about 10 minutes to do the back one including changing the connector from Suzuki/Vauxhall to Rover.

Like the idea of a timer relay for the SRS light dodge! :idea: :lol: :D
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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by zcar » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:26 am

scoobyh123 wrote:Yes - it's a fiddle with 2 capitals "F"s :wink: and easiest done from above - same goes for the back one but that's easy by comparison, about 10 minutes to do the back one including changing the connector from Suzuki/Vauxhall to Rover.
Suzuki to Vauxhall??? Tell me more.....

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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:01 pm

The 827 shares the Lambda sensors with Suzuki, Vauxhall, Daewoo and a few other makes. If you search fleabay for a 1993 Astra/Cavalier Lambda sensor, you're looking for the single wire jobby, preferably with the long lead - some only have about 200mm leads that you have to cut the lead from your old one and crimp using a butt-splice (end to end crimp) onto the new one.

Better to cut the plug off the new one, fit a "W" crimp 1/4" female push-on crimp, fiddle the old crimp out of the housing on the old sensor plug then put the newly crimped terminal into the old housing. I did a write up on it with photos somewhere, if i can remember where i'll give you a link to the thread.

Don't go for the £10 sensors, they have a nasty habit of premature failure, spend at least £20 for a half-decent one.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151974259463? ... EBIDX%3AIT

Those are pretty good, my coupé has a pair on now. :wink: :D
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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by zcar » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:29 am

Top advice there Dave, many thanks. :D I'll get the SRS light bodged then worry about the lambda sensors another day :wink:

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Re: 1995 V Reg mk11 with mk1 bonnet

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:54 pm

You're welcome Nick, i'll try and find that thread on the Lambdas that i did. :wink: :D
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