Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:42 pm

I bet the car is going "GRRRRRRR" too! :lol: I sympathise, my Sterling seems to have a blow on the front pipe too. I've had my moneys worth out of the front pipe though, patched it for about 8 years now with dog food tins and Jubilee clips! :lol:

You can buy clamp in flexi sections to replace blown ones, that's what i did about 7 years ago when the flexi went on mine. Not sure what diameter your front pipe is but i'm guessing 54mm OD so this would fit if so :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exhaust-Flexi ... xyEoFSYVLG

Not sure on the length but probably about right - gives you an idea what to look for anyway! That one is stainless as well so should last longer than 9 months!!! You will need to check the size you need, i've just gone on a "best guess" knowing it's a turbo diesel.

Oh yeah, don't forget to buy a pair of clamps to clamp it with! You'll need to go +3mm on the internal size (1.5mm wall thickness) so for that one above you'd need 57mm clamps. You'll also need to slit the ends so when you clamp it on, it tightens down.
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by tonewheeldude » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:08 am

You are right..sounds even more like a tractor than normal. Will try and get a replacement before trying your suggestion (thanks by the way), but not sure how long exhausts are guaranteed for.
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by CHR15E » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:40 am

If you're looking to keep it long term maybe it's worth investing in a stainless one?

Maybe have one made with a removable section for the flexi or something daft? Then if it's only that in the future it could easily be swapped out?
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:53 am

tonewheeldude wrote:You are right..sounds even more like a tractor than normal. Will try and get a replacement before trying your suggestion (thanks by the way), but not sure how long exhausts are guaranteed for.

It should be at least a year on materials, if you had it fitted in a garage/exhaust centre then it should say on your invoice. Like Chris said, if you're keeping the car then a stainless one, even if you have to have it made could be a wise move. According to Dusan (Alucard7002) these people are very good and having seen the system on his 820 i have to agree :

http://demandengineering.co.uk/
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by tonewheeldude » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:03 pm

Remember the Diesel Car Magazine article from August 2014 that never went to print? Well I emailed them last night. They forgot to tell me but the article was in the March 2015 issue! They are sending me one so will post it here when it arrives.
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Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:38 pm

I thought i recognised it about a year back on the news stands! :wink: Can't remember if it was on the cover or whether i just spotted the headline on the cover but had a look and it looked like Tara. Had intended to mention it but thought you would already know so i didn't!
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by tonewheeldude » Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:09 am

Here it is - not exactly what I said, but still good to see an 800 series in a current magazine. And great to keep with my cars history portfolio :)

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Post by scoobyh123 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:48 am

That's the write up i remember seeing briefly in a mag about a year ago - first time i've read it though! I see the popular misconception that the 1986 800 line up featured a fastback model has reared its head again! The fastback came later, initially the 800 was only available as a saloon, same as the Legend built on the same production lines. I wonder if Honda had kept their Legend production at Cowley if we ever would have had the fastback?

But i digress! A nice bit of literature for you to keep in Taras history file! :wink: :D
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by vito » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:02 am

Nice write up and worth waiting for.
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by tonewheeldude » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:12 pm

Exhaust it not blowing anymore...but we have a side effect :/

The supplier of the frontpipe last April said it is under warranty...but they can no longer get one. So decided to take Daves advice and replace the flexible section only, the reason for this is because the Rover diesel frontpipes are an absolute pig to remove (one bolt takes forever as its almost impossible to get to) plus you have to take the oil filter off...... but the pipe should last the life of the car as they are like scaffolding pole!

Looking at the broken flexible section it was only a few guages up from Kiplin Bakewell Tart foil, so decided to get a better quality section. The exhaust supplier agreed to let me have it free of charge which was nice of them :)

Instead of welding it to the frontpipe we used small piece of adapter pipe suitable to clamp onto the front to make changing of the flexible easier in future but welded the rear end onto the remaining solid front pipe flange section.

Fitted together nicely started the car and no blows...but there is an annoying vibration at idle which transfers into the car as a low frequency brrrrrrr. The exhaust is not touching the body and now I can see why they used such thin flexible...to absorb the engine vibration! The new piece, whilst being great quality is just too stiff. Once the weather warms up i will get a longer piece of flexible which should take out some of the resonance.

But for now at least it doesn't sound like a motor boat.
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:37 pm

Could be the adaptor pipe has altered the tuned length of the front pipe and has caused the resonance.

Other than that, sounds like a good job jobbed!
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by Alucard7002 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:09 pm

Short flexis are a pain!

Known to cause issues in the aftermarket with some vehicles.

Folks who built my stainless system agreed, they fitted the longest flexi they had with the instruction if it fails come back and we'll fit TWO one after the other FOC.

The t16 moves around a lot under the bonnet of the 800! Apparently the disesal does too.
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by tonewheeldude » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:00 am

Yes - it moves around more than John Travolta to Boogie Nights! Lesson learned...next one will be longer.
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Post by scoobyh123 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:13 am

Flexis of any length are a pain! In the good old days when the engine was at the front and the driven wheels at the back, flexis weren't a necessary evil so weren't fitted.

The only drawback was transmission losses which reduced performance and economy - if you're getting really fussy it also reduced cabin space by having the transmission tunnel but many manufacturers these days get round all these problems by having a north-south engine driving the front wheels.

The later version of the Legend that the 800 was co-developed with had exactly that arrangement with a 3.2L version of the same engine as the 2.7 called the C32. Only churned out about 201bhp though so not much more than the 2.7. There was also a lot of chassis modification to accommodate this different arrangement and i suspect the powers that be at Rover weren't prepared to spend that kind of money.

Why couldn't they have given us the NSX engine (C30 so bolts straight in) either in its NSX VTEC-form (260bhp) or even in a standard set-up that would have been close to 200bhp even with all the cat and emission junk on it???

Sorry - rant over! :oops:
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Re: Rover 825 Sterling Diesel Coupe

Post by Marc-827-Vitesse » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:53 am

Very nice article about a lovely car. Credit to you.
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