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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by Charles827si » Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:00 pm

Nuts4my827 wrote:Looking good.

Few things:
Did you fully treat the inside of the arch corner? thats where they rust from. Condensation...
Is the car on jacks/stands in that picture, looks kinda high. Also what size tyres did you fit?
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Yeah I put the car on the jack/stand high up just to make it easier to work on. I have a fluorescent light just above as well which is good.

I used 3 coats of zinc primer, then rubbed down and used 2 coats of standard white Halfords primer. (As well as on the inside corner arch)
Rubbed down again and used 3 'lightish' coats Rover Stone Grey; (near enough match for jazz). Slight rub down with 2000 wet n dry paper. Lastly 5 light coats Halfords bodyshop Lacquer. Again slight rub down with wet and dry paper (used water).

Then a good ole polish with Ferecla G3. Took a while since I didn't use my machine polish wheel.

If I was being picky I would redo the bottom quarter (but I won't now :D )

The tyres are 205/40 R17 84W. I gather 17inch wheels used an alternate tyre profile on the sport models or something?
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by CHR15E » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:55 pm

205/40/17? Are you sure?

That's far too small compared to the original wheel/tyre size.

Sport wheels should have 215/45/17 as standard though a lot use 225/45/17 as that's closer overall to 205/55/16.
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by Charles827si » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:02 pm

This is what is indicated on all five tyres
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by CHR15E » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:13 am

No doubt there then. :)

Did you choose that size yourself or what was on the wheels before?

It's definitely not correct for an 800, it was usually used on more boy racer type cars as an upgrade size for the then 15" wheels that were found on most hot hatch type cars. Not sure if there's still a big market for it?

I've used this site to show the difference.

https://tiresize.com/comparison/

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All that said, your car isn't about to explode through them being fitted. :D So I guess at the end of the day it's up to you what you do about it, if anything.
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:53 am

I reckon a visit to the chiropractor will be in order sometime soon though! Reckon those 40 series tyres will give quite a jarring ride! The 827 SLi i bought a couple of years back (and is now owned by a friend) had 17" Vitesse alloys (with the 215/45/17 tyres) from new and when i drove it it felt like i was driving without any suspension, the main reason i decided to sell it.

Hope your experience is better Charles, i can't deny they look nice and for some reason the 6-spokes look better on dark cars than light IMHO and they look god on your coupé. :wink: :D
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by Charles827si » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:47 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:I reckon a visit to the chiropractor will be in order sometime soon though! Reckon those 40 series tyres will give quite a jarring ride! The 827 SLi i bought a couple of years back (and is now owned by a friend) had 17" Vitesse alloys (with the 215/45/17 tyres) from new and when i drove it it felt like i was driving without any suspension, the main reason i decided to sell it.

Hope your experience is better Charles, i can't deny they look nice and for some reason the 6-spokes look better on dark cars than light IMHO and they look god on your coupé. :wink: :D
The ride is now slightly jarring, I have to admit, and there seems to be slight wobbling/vibration from the front passenger wheel; I think that front wheel is not balanced as it should be. Chris maybe right, these tyres were perhaps the ones the boy-racers put on, though I thought the size might have been a standard thing; the previous tyres were just the same size specification. :oops:
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:59 pm

Charles827si wrote:
scoobyh123 wrote:I reckon a visit to the chiropractor will be in order sometime soon though! Reckon those 40 series tyres will give quite a jarring ride! The 827 SLi i bought a couple of years back (and is now owned by a friend) had 17" Vitesse alloys (with the 215/45/17 tyres) from new and when i drove it it felt like i was driving without any suspension, the main reason i decided to sell it.

Hope your experience is better Charles, i can't deny they look nice and for some reason the 6-spokes look better on dark cars than light IMHO and they look god on your coupé. :wink: :D
The ride is now slightly jarring, I have to admit, and there seems to be slight wobbling/vibration from the front passenger wheel; I think that front wheel is not balanced as it should be. Chris maybe right, these tyres were perhaps the ones the boy-racers put on, though I thought the size might have been a standard thing; the previous tyres were just the same size specification. :oops:
Your previous wheels were 16" though? :? :?:
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by Charles827si » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:02 pm

scoobyh123 wrote: Your previous wheels were 16" though? :? :?:
Yeah, the 16" Prestige type. I haven't really much idea how this whole works myself. :roll:
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by Charles827si » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:07 pm

Charles827si wrote:
scoobyh123 wrote: Your previous wheels were 16" though? :? :?:
Yeah, the 16" Prestige type. I haven't really much idea how this whole works myself. :roll:


I meant to add; the previous tyres on the 17inch wheels were the same size as the Avon ones I have had fitted.

So is it possible to have the 225 size fitted that Chris mentioned ?
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by CHR15E » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:32 pm

The 17s should be fitted with 215/45/17 from new.

People often fit/fitted 225/45/17 as they are a closer match to the rolling radius of the 205/55/16 you will have had before.

Plus I seem to remember they might have been cheaper at the time?

Either/or is perfectly OK though.
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by Charles827si » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:36 pm

CHR15E wrote:The 17s should be fitted with 215/45/17 from new.

People often fit/fitted 225/45/17 as they are a closer match to the rolling radius of the 205/55/16 you will have had before.

Plus I seem to remember they might have been cheaper at the time?

Either/or is perfectly OK though.


Ah well, had I known (or looked into) at the time before ordering I would have got 225/45/17 for sure. Like you say it's closer to the previous 205/55/16. So I suppose I'm having to work the car harder to go the same speed as before which is why my fuel consumption has increased abit!
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:51 pm

If your wheels were 16" Prestiges, the standard fitment is 205/55/16 so the width is the same but that's it. I'll try and explain.

205 = tyre width in mm
55 = Aspect ratio
16 = Rim size in inches

The tyre width and rim size are fairly self-explanatory, it's the aspect ratio that always seems to confuse! In simple terms it's the height of the sidewall from the edge of the rim to the edge of the tyre, expressed as a percentage of the width.

In this case it is 55% of 205 so 205 x 0.55 = 112.75mm

That will make the tyre diameter 2 x tyre wall height (don't forget it goes all round the rim) = 225.5 + rim size (convert 16" to mm =) 406.4 = 631.9mm or 632mm if you round it up sensibly.

Now if you go to this site :

http://www.etyres.co.uk/how-to-change-your-tyre-size/

and enter your tyre size (205/55/16) it should show the diameter as 632mm. The default for the "Old" tyre size on that site is 195/65/15 which is the size fitted to 800s with 15" wheels and is 634mm but as you'll see, the 205/55/16 comes out at 632mm as i showed above. This is within 2.5% difference so any difference on the speedo/mileage recorder will be negligible.

However, go to 205/40/17 and the diameter shrinks to 596mm, a whopping 36mm smaller than your original tyres! To maintain the correct diameter, you'll need to go to 225/45/17 which comes out to 634mm. You could in theory have fitted 225/50/16s to your original wheels to gain wider tyres, you would have been pushing your luck a bit though going that wide on a 6J (aka 6" wide) rim as 225mm is 9" give or take a gnats testicle.

Hopefully that gives a bit of insight into tyre size and choice and something to play with working out possible tyre sizes! :wink: :D
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by Charles827si » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:05 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:If your wheels were 16" Prestiges, the standard fitment is 205/55/16 so the width is the same but that's it. I'll try and explain.

205 = tyre width in mm
55 = Aspect ratio
16 = Rim size in inches

The tyre width and rim size are fairly self-explanatory, it's the aspect ratio that always seems to confuse! In simple terms it's the height of the sidewall from the edge of the rim to the edge of the tyre, expressed as a percentage of the width.

In this case it is 55% of 205 so 205 x 0.55 = 112.75mm

That will make the tyre diameter 2 x tyre wall height (don't forget it goes all round the rim) = 225.5 + rim size (convert 16" to mm =) 406.4 = 631.9mm or 632mm if you round it up sensibly.

Now if you go to this site :

http://www.etyres.co.uk/how-to-change-your-tyre-size/

and enter your tyre size (205/55/16) it should show the diameter as 632mm. The default for the "Old" tyre size on that site is 195/65/15 which is the size fitted to 800s with 15" wheels and is 634mm but as you'll see, the 205/55/16 comes out at 632mm as i showed above. This is within 2.5% difference so any difference on the speedo/mileage recorder will be negligible.

However, go to 205/40/17 and the diameter shrinks to 596mm, a whopping 36mm smaller than your original tyres! To maintain the correct diameter, you'll need to go to 225/45/17 which comes out to 634mm. You could in theory have fitted 225/50/16s to your original wheels to gain wider tyres, you would have been pushing your luck a bit though going that wide on a 6J (aka 6" wide) rim as 225mm is 9" give or take a gnats testicle.

Hopefully that gives a bit of insight into tyre size and choice and something to play with working out possible tyre sizes! :wink: :D
That's a great explanation, and I get what you describe there. The thing is with the metric system (something I should know) I have to work the numbers over a few times before a lightbulb blings on somewhere in that so called brain I have. :idea: :) :?:
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by Charles827si » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:55 pm

I took the car for a good proper run-around late this afternoon, driving around twist roads in W York's; and wizzing down bypasses (within 70mph). Stopped at the petrol station, (no issue restarting) and got home some time later just as the gritters were starting the rounds.
So all seems well with the new ignitor unit, though it seems a little early to say if I will have similar problems as in the summer. It's still possible the main relay could need solder.
I have noticed I have a strange clicking noise coming from the drivers window while I'm driving (Window CCU or relay perhaps?)

I also have my other rocker gasket come in the post yesterday, so since I've need to do this for ages; changing those gaskets is my next task.
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Re: Charles' early 92 827 manual coupe

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:56 pm

Having the heater on to keep your hoofs warm will warm the relay up as well Charles! :wink: :shock: Of course it depends how warm you like your hoofs...........

Sounds like you had a nice drive round, good the main relay behaved itself! Or did it? :? :?: :idea:

There aren't any relays in the drivers door, the window ECU and its associated relays are under the passenger seat, however sometimes the Main Relay can sound as if it's in the drivers door, particularly with the slightly different architecture of the coupé - also the relay on the fuseboard can do similar and create havoc with windows, wipers and one or two other things i can't think of just now. If the fuseboard was recently resoldered and/or known good, try replacing that yellow relay in the middle of it.
It could have been the priming part of the Main Relay clicking, this is what supplies the fuel pump when the engine isn't running, even if it's being turned over on the starter. While the engine is running the other half of the Main Relay supplies the pump so you wouldn't notice any symptoms but the clicking could indicate a dry joint within the Main Relay on the priming half of it which is what would cause the non-starting.

I might be clutching at straws here and totally off track but i'd say it's a fair bet that's what it was - my coupé did the same shortly before the Main Relay stranded me for a few minutes the first and only time (resoldered it once i got it home). :wink: :D
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