Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:20 am

That confirms my hunch about the relay Henrik. Next time it plays up, remove the relay, use a small, soft wire brush (brass or similar) to clean the spade connectors on the base of it and refit - if you can tighten the female receptacles in the relay socket so they grip tighter again.

I suspect the spade conectors on the relay have xodised somewhat in their 30+ year lifetime and are causing the intermittent fault. :wink: :D
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:32 pm

I don’t think thats the problem Dave, pretty sure it’s the circuit board that fails. If you remember I resoldered it earlier and that did the trick back then.

Now on a different matter. I’ve been having issues with the fan. The speed goes up and down and sometimes stop, and I know the problem is in the box/circuit board inside a large box behind the radio.

So my question is: did all the mk1 with the slider controls for the fan/heater/blower come with this circuit?

It’s called ADL2770

The one I have is loose and flimsy. I really don’t trust it.


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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Fastback » Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:44 pm

Difficult to tell but it looks like several of those solder joints have cracked. As good practice anyway, as it's out, I'd resolder anything dodgy with lead based solder. And probably the others as well...
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:15 pm

Thanks Mark,
I’ll give that a go!
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:19 pm

Not sure how many Mk1s used a similar box Henrik, i think Mark has hit the nail on the head though as looking at the main pic of the board there are several dry joints on it. I can see at least 3 dodgy joints without trying too hard on the top row of solder joints as viewed in this pic :

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Going from 1 being the left-most joint on the top row to 8 being the right-most, 4, 5 and 7/8 are all looking dodgy, there are a few others that don't look great elsewhere in the board but try those first (just plug it in and test it, don't box it all back up) and see if there's an improvement.

Going vertically down the pic two rows, there's another with a dodgy look about it, that would be the next one i would look at.
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:05 pm

Thanks Dave, I’ll give it a go!

Now something more dramatical happened. Oh dear! Now my Windows wont go down.

When I press the button (tested all doors) I can here a click inside the doors. So, something electrical happens there, but the Windows wont roll down. I would think it has something to do with the circuitboard behind the fuse box that holds the relays. I can’t find that pic Now over the relays though.

But would there be a click in the door if the relay wasnt working?
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Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:05 pm

Does it still not work if you start the engine Henrik?
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:07 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:05 pm
Does it still not work if you start the engine Henrik?
No. Totally dead. Except for the click in each door.
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:11 pm

Have you checked the fuses?
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:35 pm

Also check fuse J in the underbonnet fusebox, one of the big fusible links , thrid from the front.
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:51 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:35 pm
Also check fuse J in the underbonnet fusebox, one of the big fusible links , thrid from the front.
Checked. Nothing.

Run me the fundamental idea. I’m thinking about the click. I can’t hear any relay clicking under the dash or in the engine compartment but I can hear a click in the door. I presume this click is some solenoid? Would the current from the switch (in either drivers door or the door in question)go via the relay? It seems the relay is the culprit? Or is there a CCU for the Windows in this one?

Not sure where the relay is either. Any idea Dave?
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:56 pm

Just so i know i've got it clear Henrik, it's all 4 windows that don't work?

Have you tried the other windows from their window switches on the doors?

I'm trying to work through the Mk1 manuals online but it's a bit heavy going - no CCU as far as a i can tellbut it seems there are two relays, one for the left and one for the right front window lifts. No reference to relays for the rear window lifts which is even more confusing and the diagram isn't great either.
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:07 pm

Fuses 2, 3, 9 and 10 are the window lift fuses, contrary to what i said above, the two window lift power relays are for front and back so that's one mystery solved!

It appears there are more relays in the ddrivers door (and passenger door) below the speakers.

One is the up relay, the other is the down relay.

Might be worth removing the door card and checking they are physically operating, if so start checking voltages etc and also the motor. Have you ever sprayed the window channels with silicone lube spray while the widows are down? It's crossed my mind with the warm weather, the rubber may have stuck to the glass.
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:58 am

scoobyh123 wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:56 pm
Just so i know i've got it clear Henrik, it's all 4 windows that don't work?
Yes.
scoobyh123 wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:56 pm

Have you tried the other windows from their window switches on the doors?
Yes.
scoobyh123 wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:56 pm

I'm trying to work through the Mk1 manuals online but it's a bit heavy going - no CCU as far as a i can tellbut it seems there are two relays, one for the left and one for the right front window lifts. No reference to relays for the rear window lifts which is even more confusing and the diagram isn't great either.
Thanks Dave!
I’m ripping down the relay panel behind the fuse box later today. It’s a PITA job but I hope something went out of their sockets when installing it yesterday. Remember, the clutch pedal is there too, and the master. So it’s not a straight forward job. First seat out, then on your back fiddling. And with my back problem it’s not a laugh. :lol:

scoobyh123 wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:07 pm
Fuses 2, 3, 9 and 10 are the window lift fuses, contrary to what i said above, the two window lift power relays are for front and back so that's one mystery solved!
Excellent, Thanks. I had found a few of the fuses and checked them but my gaze is drawn to those relays!
scoobyh123 wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:56 pm

It appears there are more relays in the ddrivers door (and passenger door) below the speakers.

One is the up relay, the other is the down relay.

Might be worth removing the door card and checking they are physically operating, if so start checking voltages etc and also the motor.
Absolutely, had no idea there were relays in the doors but that explains the click. Very likely the relay in the door is operated by the switches in the doors so they (presumebly) work.
scoobyh123 wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:56 pm

Have you ever sprayed the window channels with silicone lube spray while the widows are down? It's crossed my mind with the warm weather, the rubber may have stuck to the glass.
No chance here Dave, as I use the windows every day (No AC) and they were perfect until yesterday as I messed around with the headlamps relay/circuit board.

I’ll report back later today. Fingers crossed! Thanks!
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1a 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:28 am

No success.
*The fuses are ok.
*The relays are removed and sprayed.
And to be honest why should both die at the same time..?

Next is to measure from inside the door to see what goes on.

Edit. No power comes to the plug. But the motor works when running 12v directly. The relay (that is inside the switchboard in the door works)

So the switch works. The motor works. But no power comes from the car to the motor.


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