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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:52 pm

Had an hour of spare time this afternoon and decided to put the electric gremlins aside.
Ripped the front left caliper apart. Pads are more or less new but the disc is not very nice. But actually the rust isnt that bad. Some serious brushing with the steelbrush and then some thin penetrating rust spray. Looks rather nice.


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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:40 pm

Nice work there Henrik!

Just spotted that wire Andy mentioned in an earlier post going to the alternator output terminal from the battery. It suggests there have been previous charging problems on the car! :shock:
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:10 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:40 pm
Nice work there Henrik!

Just spotted that wire Andy mentioned in an earlier post going to the alternator output terminal from the battery. It suggests there have been previous charging problems on the car! :shock:
Thanks Dave. Dont mention the rusty discs please... They are history as soon as I know the rest of the car is up and running!

Wire: The red one? Yes I agree. I had one installed on my 620ti with the late alternator to keep it from blowing diodes. Any suggestions?
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:16 pm

I guessed you'd be doing that with the discs Henrik! :wink:

Yes, the red wire. It points to a problem in the fusebox as it's meant to go through a fuse in there, under the "tinted" blue cover on the left.

Makes me wonder why it was disconnected/bypassed.
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:21 pm

Which fuse Dave?
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:57 pm

Manalishi wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:21 pm
Which fuse Dave?
That would be fuse "I" Henrik, 3rd one down on the left under the "tinted" blue cover. Should be a 100A fusible link, if you look on Pg2 of this thread where the diagram of the underbonnet fusebox is you'll see what i mean. :wink: :D
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:03 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:57 pm
Manalishi wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:21 pm
Which fuse Dave?
That would be fuse "I" Henrik, 3rd one down on the left under the "tinted" blue cover. Should be a 100A fusible link, if you look on Pg2 of this thread where the diagram of the underbonnet fusebox is you'll see what i mean. :wink: :D
This electric shit is killing me. :D

Are you saying that a new or refurbished alternator might not solve the issue?
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:44 pm

First you need to confirm what the fault is Henrik. That red wire you've added doesn't look beefy enough to carry 70A and there's no fuse on it.

If you remove that tinted blue cover in the fusebox and check the fusible link "I" (on the left as you look at it from the front of the car, 3rd one down from the windscreen end), remove the Torx screws, clean them, check the link (it should say "100A" on it somewhere), clean the ends, refit it and then see if you can physically trace the cable out from the fusebox to the alternator from it.

Also check to make sure where the battery feed comes into the fusebox just below it/nearer to you as you look at it that the connections there are clean and tight.

After that if all else fails, it might be a reconditioned/refurbished alternator is the answer. :wink: :D
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:31 am

scoobyh123 wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:44 pm
First you need to confirm what the fault is Henrik. That red wire you've added doesn't look beefy enough to carry 70A and there's no fuse on it.

If you remove that tinted blue cover in the fusebox and check the fusible link "I" (on the left as you look at it from the front of the car, 3rd one down from the windscreen end), remove the Torx screws, clean them, check the link (it should say "100A" on it somewhere), clean the ends, refit it and then see if you can physically trace the cable out from the fusebox to the alternator from it.

Also check to make sure where the battery feed comes into the fusebox just below it/nearer to you as you look at it that the connections there are clean and tight.

After that if all else fails, it might be a reconditioned/refurbished alternator is the answer. :wink: :D
Hmm. I didnt add the red wire, it was there when I got the car...

I’ll have a look at the no 3 fuse and examine everything closer, but everything looks absolutely spotless inside the fusebox. No corrosion what so ever.
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:33 pm

If the red wire was already on there Henrik it says there were charging problems before you got the car. These problems could potentially have damaged the alternator.

That red wire looks fairly new, i wonder if the charging problem showed up with the charge warning light, he fitted the red wire and the warning light went out so he believed there wasn't a problem but there still was.
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:41 pm

Took a look at the fuses. The fusebox looks like its new. I removed the torx screws and made sure there is perfect contact. I then removed the red wire. I then measured if the alternator ”hub” had connection with the positive pole on the battery, it is, and finally I measured the connection between alternator and fuse-bridge, all good there too.
Still a light as I start the car so I presume the alternator is malfunctioning? Earlier i tried to ground the alternator, engine, chassis... Still no life.
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:00 pm

That's not sounding good Henrik - looking suspiciously like the alternator is faulty.

Assuming you haven't found any faults and all the wiring is good, it really only leaves the alternator to be honest. One final check you can do, make sure you have a fully charged battery first, is start the engine and let it warm up a few minutes then blip the throttle to bring the revs up briefly to about 4500-5000rpm then check the charge warning light.

Sometimes if the brushes are "questionable" this gives enough of a boost for the alternator to start charging by itself through residual magnetism in the rotor.

If this test works then you will probably get away with a new set of brushes, if not then it's a reconditioned alternator i think. :wink: :D
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:54 pm

Thanks Dave, solid tips there. I’ll leave it until the brakes and underside are given some attention. I probably have an hour or so tomorrow so should have time for the second front caliper.
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by scoobyh123 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:43 pm

Good luck with it Henrik. Let us know how it goes!

If the alternator does need changing, give me a shout and i'll upload the relevant pages from the manual. It's a fiddle on some bits but achievable - just hope you don't suffer either arthritis or Carpel Tunnel Syndrome as that makes it really hard! :shock: :wink: :D
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Re: Manalishis Mk 1 827 Vitesse (manual)

Post by Manalishi » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:42 pm

Right side. Pads ok, according to the service book they’ve only done some 2-3000km. Disc as bad as the other side, but not too bad on the rust in the floor/chassis. Sills are less than good though...
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