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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by scoobyh123 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:52 pm

deano wrote:and another thing....
why wasn't the rear window switches redesigned after the removal of the electric rear seats in the mk1.
10 or more years later they are using the same blanked off switches

and the same for the coupe drivers switch pack too

should have all been changed with the introduction of the mk2 and coupe models :roll:

That's a very good point - considering all the trouble they went to to make a blanking plate to fill the hole where the fag lighter went in the rear ashtray just so they could save 70p on a fag lighter, it would have been better spent altering the tooling for the coupe and poverty spec models with only front electric windows and the rear window switches for the whole range except the Mk1 Sterling saloon that had rear electric seats.

Wouldn't actually have been that hard to do, chances are they could simply have adjusted the tool so the bottom two bars for the window switch holes stoped a couple of mm short so the plastic injected into the mould filled the space for the rear window switches on the coupe/povo-spec model switchpacks. Same idea could be used for the rear window switches and the rear ashtray come to that.

I've seen it done many times so i know it's possible and the tools (in the ones i've seen) were designed to be used for different versions of the plastic component by making certain parts of the tool optional or not.
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by deano » Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:29 am

I miss the rear ciggie lighter...
well, my boys did, they couldn't plug their Tech Gadgets into it no more on long journeys.

Oh you should have heard all the whinging :(
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by Alucard7002 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:20 pm

Front Wheel Drive + 80's era chassis/suspension (Recently got spoilt by passengering in a brand new Jaguar XE V6S)

Headroom

Bring back the dashboard shelf (I HATE going from my 827 with it to my 820 without - where else do you empty your pockets?)

Lots of little things!

Seen as I'm stuck with the 820 until I'm at least 25 and can afford to insure/run something significantly better there really isn't much point in changing. Next car is either R34 front ended Nissan Stagea or X358 Super V8
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by scoobyh123 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:25 pm

Headroom? It has plenty! Unless you happen to be extra tall i suppose?

The lack of shelf is a total bummer though, who needs an IED on the dashboard anyway? A shelf is much more useful! I'll be removing my factory fit IED and replacing it with a home made shelf incorporating some extra instruments in the coupe. Thanks to Steve (Rovercoup) i have a Stone Beige pre-airbag (IED) steering wheel and cowl to go on the drivers side.

As you're sending the 827 to the great highway in the sky Dusan you could always swap the dash before it goes to debag the 820. :wink:
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by deano » Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:17 pm

IED ?

Whats that stand for ?
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by Alucard7002 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:29 pm

scoobyh123 wrote:Headroom? It has plenty! Unless you happen to be extra tall i suppose?

The lack of shelf is a total bummer though, who needs an IED on the dashboard anyway? A shelf is much more useful! I'll be removing my factory fit IED and replacing it with a home made shelf incorporating some extra instruments in the coupe. Thanks to Steve (Rovercoup) i have a Stone Beige pre-airbag (IED) steering wheel and cowl to go on the drivers side.

As you're sending the 827 to the great highway in the sky Dusan you could always swap the dash before it goes to debag the 820. :wink:

6' 4" in my socks! I fitted the recaro interior to my 820 purely to drop the seat base 2", then I modified the seat base to drop it a further 2", then I modified the seat foam to drop it another inch! I HATE sitting leaning back in the car which doesn't help matters. Nobody else can drive it as they can't see over the dashboard! :lol:

Sitting in the 827 I feel like a you-know-what with the seat back reclined way back and sat far from the wheel - 1st gear is a bit of a stretch! (I'm solving that with a bucket seat from a friend of mine for free!)

I would swap the 827 Dash but it's a flint grey mk1 item so pretty useless to me :(

I agree RE: IEDs, the age they are plus being designed for the American market make them more dangerous than you think! Still save your neck but break your face in the process...
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by scoobyh123 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:36 pm

deano wrote:IED ?

Whats that stand for ?
https://youtu.be/j6YLIwzbbyM

That's basically what they are, an Improvised Explosive Device as the poor sod in that video finds out. I'm amazed they don't carry a government health warning! They were invented in the USA to try and prevent people dying in accidents because they weren't wearing seatbelts. Sure they saved a few lives, mainly those that weren't wearing their seatbelts though! I've seen several people injured more by the airbag deploying than they were in a head on collision and most were deaf for a week after.
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by Dickie524 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:35 am

Mine doesn't have a sunroof - I know, nobody has ever seen one without a sunroof before, but it's true - net result about 2"more headroom. Which makes bod-all difference to me and my clan, as it happens, but there you go.

All sensible suggestions, the alignment fo the headlamp units does annoy me moderately, but the rear seat switch blanking plates annoy me less than the passenger's side window switch - massive blanking plate for one little arrow!

Still, none are as obvious as that awful central air vent on an SD1, designed to make the dash boards non-handed...

An estate would be awesome, in fact I've looked occasionally at the hearse conversions that crop up occasionally but it'd need to be a 4-door and whetever you did it would always look like a hearse.

I've seen a few Estate photoshop mockups - were any Rover design sketches/ exercises ever produced?
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by Dickie524 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:41 pm

Nope - well, not directly, anyway...

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Original supplying dealer was Reg Vardy...
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by CHR15E » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:18 pm

Dickie524 wrote:Mine doesn't have a sunroof - I know, nobody has ever seen one without a sunroof before, but it's true - net result about 2"more headroom. Which makes bod-all difference to me and my clan, as it happens, but there you go.
I've had a couple without, seen a handful more. All saloons from memory though.

Yours is a hatch? So never seen a hatch without one.
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by deano » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:04 pm

surely having no sunroof results in less headroom
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by CHR15E » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:29 pm

deano wrote:surely having no sunroof results in less headroom
How?

The outer roof is the same, with the sunroof cassette missing the roof lining goes further up.

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Unless you meant by not being able to open it and have all that space? :lol:
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by deano » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:41 pm

The roof lining is still at the same height inside...
But when the sunroof is installed the lining is cutback around the aperture and the sliding shade panel sits an inch or so above the roof lining
open that and gain another inch or so before the glass

or as you say, just leave it open :)
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by scoubix16 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:00 pm

deano wrote:The roof lining is still at the same height inside...
But when the sunroof is installed the lining is cutback around the aperture and the sliding shade panel sits an inch or so above the roof lining
open that and gain another inch or so before the glass
I concur. Don't know if the Coupe has less headroom than the saloons or Fastbacks, but I do like having a sunroof in the Coupe, for that particular reason :)
Back to the original question though, one thing I would change indeed is the headlights. Not easy to calibrate too.
And I would have made the suspension a bit more firm too, so it handles better when cornering...
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Re: If you could change the design of one thing...

Post by Nuts4my827 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:34 pm

I have cup holders. :) Not been able to source any more sharan/galaxy dash units to make more for other users though. MUCH Annoyed.
I would also say make the wheel arch liners cover the lip of the wheel arch, not sit behind it!!!

I have also properly lined up headlights and indicators on the gold car.
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